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Post by wiegrewe » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:24 am

Hello everyone. I´m going to buy DKW 125 RT. The seller tells me that it´s from 1943. I was looking for fahrgestellnummer list, but there are numbers only till 1941.

Can anyone help me? The frame number at "my" DKW is 653653.

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Post by Wilhelm_Heidkamp » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:38 pm

Your number matches a late 1944 RT 125-1. Here you can find some more information:

http://old.ifem.at/linkdkw.htm
DKW F 102 1965
DKW NZ 350-1 1945
DKW KL C100/C1 Funkwuerfel 1943
DKW GG400 Funkwuerfel
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Post by wiegrewe » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:10 pm

Thanks Wilhelm! Really useful website!

One more question - is the frame number (fahrgestellnummer) stamped somewhere else beside under the lamp under the nameplate with the details about motocycle?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

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Post by Wilhelm_Heidkamp » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:48 pm

No, only on the type plate and beside it. The only other marking on the frame should be the WaA-stamp.
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DKW NZ 350-1 1945
DKW KL C100/C1 Funkwuerfel 1943
DKW GG400 Funkwuerfel
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Post by wiegrewe » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:23 pm

Thanks! And under the seat? There´s no marking?
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Post by welbike » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:11 pm

Hello, the number is stamped above the type plate, not beside it, and the typeplate should be of steel, not aluminium.

Also there is a star in front and behind the framenumber.

The WaA Marking is usually just below the right bottom of the typeplate.

See picture, sorry about the bad quality! the dark spot on the lower right is the WaA stamp.

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Post by wiegrewe » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:01 pm

thanks for advice.

I´m sending photos of DKW.. I know the differences between RT wehrmacht type and post war W type are only in engine.. but there can be more differences.. Can anyone help - is it war or postwar? According to frame number, it seems to be war, but I want to be really sure..thanks!

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Post by welbike » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:38 pm

Hello,

The frame and fork/mudguard/wheel, and handlebars are 100% wartime, but am not shure of the rear wheel, engine is something completely different ofcourse.

Rear mudguard/taillamp an carrier look also OK to me, but then there is so many very difficult parts missing, that it would be very costly to try to restore this bike to proper specifications.

3 years ago I bought a bike in this condition in Poland for 200 euro's, it was handy for parts, and will use the frame probably, then last year I bought a frame and part of the front fork in Normandy for 70 euro's also for parts.

By the look of the colour on this bike it also came from the east.

If you would really want to restore this to full military trim with all the proper parts, there's easily another 4000-5000 to spend! (grauguss engine, wirbelfilter with choke, short pannier bags, reinforcment straps for carrier, side stand, exhaust, tacho, rear wheel, upper/lower chainguard, fuel tap, saddle, top part of fuel tank cap, voltage regulator box, battery holder, etc. etc.)

Hope this helps,

Alex

PS, the postwar 125-W is a whole different bike compared with the WH version, same as that is totally different to the 1940 model
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Post by Wilhelm_Heidkamp » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:07 pm

The package carrier is definitely postwar, notice the trapez-style sides, an original RT 125-1 package carrier has nothing like that.

The engine is prewar, from a german Sachs 98 ccm bike, built in at a wide variety of vehicles, and probably worth some money, but of course not matching a RT.
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DKW KL C100/C1 Funkwuerfel 1943
DKW GG400 Funkwuerfel
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Post by welbike » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:33 pm

Yes Wilhelm, you're right about the carrier, it looked funny to me, and then forgot about it!

Regards,

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Post by wiegrewe » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:30 pm

Thank you. is the strange thing about the carrier. when whole motocycle is war or prewar.. The price is 850 EUR. Do you think it´s too much? Btw the engine is not 98ccm but 125 ccm in my opinion.. it has 2 exhaust. thank you..
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Post by Wilhelm_Heidkamp » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:33 pm

Ahh, I see it now, it`s definitely 125 ccm and prewar. 850 Euro is some high price you will need a new engine (300-400 Euros) the carburetor (50 Euros) the air cleaner (Never seen one for sale, I bet more than 300 Euros) and new wheels and a new package carrier and the upper and lower chain protector (All together about 300 Euros). The missing type plate would bother me....

The bike is definitely a wartime bike, late 1944!

For 600-700 Euros this compilation would be ok I think.
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DKW GG400 Funkwuerfel
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Post by wiegrewe » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:42 pm

Thank you very much for really useful informations. It really helped me.

Have a nice day.

BR Jindrich
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Post by DARIVS » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:53 am

In order to reduce the cost of restoration, I suggest using reproduction parts, especially for the rare parts that are expensive. You can restore the motorrad to the original appearance and replace reproduction parts with original parts as you save money to afford them. The search will be long, taking years for some parts. The RT-125 is very popular though, so parts are much easier to find than for my 1939 DKW 3PS!
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Post by welbike » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:21 am

DARIVS wrote:In order to reduce the cost of restoration, I suggest using reproduction parts, especially for the rare parts that are expensive. You can restore the motorrad to the original appearance and replace reproduction parts with original parts as you save money to afford them. The search will be long, taking years for some parts. The RT-125 is very popular though, so parts are much easier to find than for my 1939 DKW 3PS!
Well Darvis, I can tell you that repro parts for the late RT 125-1 are non existant, save for the 2 or 3 parts that some enthousiasts make, in fact there are only a handfull of people who have an orginal complete RT 125-1 from 1944-1945, and often these are missing the rare parts. I payed over 1300 dollars for my airfilter, and was glad to be able to buy it!! There used to be some parts on Ebay.de but lately nothing at all! handbooks and parts lists are non existant for the late war models also.

Parts for the RT100 are plentifull in comparison, I have a couple too, and enjoy them very much, a very reliable bike indeed, what are you looking for partswise?? maybe I can help you out? Have some brit bikes in PA too.

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